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Sam:
[0:00]
| Okay, we're waiting for the live stream to start. Yo, we've been having technical difficulties here in Curmudgeon's Corner Central. We've been having technical difficulties.
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Ivan:
[0:09]
| Yes.
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Sam:
[0:09]
| Like, we've tried to start the show, like, three times now.
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Ivan:
[0:13]
| This is more our norm. Like, if you listen to our early podcast, like, the first few months of podcasts. Yeah, that was, like, the norm. Us, like, recording for half an hour, having a technical difficulty, losing everything we had recorded. and then having to start again, and me being angry as all hell, because I would be like, damn it, I can't say all of that again. How am I supposed to say this again? I just explained it. So I would wind up with a much less eloquent version than the first time. And shorter. Much shorter, yes.
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Sam:
[0:52]
| Which, you know, some would say it's an improvement, because, you know, we don't ramble. Instead of rambling for half an hour, you get to the point right away.
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Ivan:
[1:01]
| Yeah, I know. But, yeah, but, you know.
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Sam:
[1:06]
| Anyway, we're going to try this again. Here we go. The music. The music. Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Saturday, September 19th, 2026. It is just before 18 UTC as we start to record for the third or fourth time. But hopefully this time it'll stick. It'll, it'll, it'll stick. We'll, we'll, you know, make it work. No, it won't work. I'm, I'm, recording is stopped.
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Sam:
[2:32]
| Ha ha. Welcome to Curmudgeon's Corner for Saturday, September 19th, 2020. It's just after 18 UTC as we're starting to record. I am Sam Minter. Yvonne Bo is here. As I may have mentioned in the cold open, we've been having technical difficulties.
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Ivan:
[2:57]
| We've been having technical difficulties.
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Sam:
[2:59]
| This is like our 8 millionth time trying to start the show. It's a comedy of errors. We've been doing this for like... a long time. Don't worry, you haven't missed anything exciting, and we will try to repeat it from the beginning.
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Ivan:
[3:17]
| Again!
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Sam:
[3:18]
| Again! So, I was saying before, you know, our recording cut out, like, for the third or fourth or fifth or eighth or time, anyway, whatever it was, that we are going to do our usual talking about, like, lighter and less newsy stuff at the beginning and moving towards the newsy stuff at the end. I'd also mentioned that even though I have a couple movies queued up, I'm going to, you know, probably tell a little story instead of one or both of them instead. And, you know, I'm doing the thing where because we're redoing it, I'm running through it really fast. And, you know, you missed the, well, I said you didn't miss anything important, but I When I said this the first time, I probably said it better and in a more interesting and longer way, but maybe shorter is better. I don't know. So I know what I have on my mind. Yvonne, do you have anything of the light and fluffy variety that you would like to include at the beginning before I tell my story?
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Ivan:
[4:26]
| As I tried to say earlier, I am again president of the Condo Association.
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Sam:
[4:33]
| Congratulations, Mr. Bowe. I know this is, you were there, you were frustrated, you were gone, and now you're back.
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Ivan:
[4:41]
| Now I'm back.
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Sam:
[4:43]
| And, you know, elected by your peers.
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Ivan:
[4:46]
| Elected by my peers, yes. And it was a pretty resounding victory.
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Sam:
[4:51]
| Good, good.
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Ivan:
[4:53]
| Yeah, a lot of work. I've had to spend an inordinate amount of time right now just trying to get my arms around a whole bunch of things that are going on. But we're making progress pretty quick. You know.
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Sam:
[5:07]
| Good. How's it feel to be back? Are you putting up the banners with your face all over the condom?
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Ivan:
[5:16]
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm ordering those. Yes, absolutely. Yeah.
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Sam:
[5:19]
| Yes.
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Ivan:
[5:19]
| Yeah, yeah. We're going to put up all the banners. And I'm going to make sure to get my name carved on the side of the main clubhouse building.
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Sam:
[5:31]
| Of course.
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Ivan:
[5:32]
| Yeah, yeah. I'm going to have my name carved in there. And if they don't allow me to carve my name, I'm going to demolish it.
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Sam:
[5:39]
| How could you do anything else?
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Ivan:
[5:41]
| I mean, that's the only way to do it, right?
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Sam:
[5:44]
| And gold highlights everywhere?
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Ivan:
[5:46]
| Of course. We're going to start. That is one of my first initiatives, is that everything is going to be bathed in gold. We're going to have gold gates, gold doors, the fence. The fence is no longer black. It's going to be gold. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going. We're going. You know, everything gold.
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Sam:
[6:06]
| Absolutely. Got to have those improvements. and your gate is going to be 200 feet tall, right?
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Ivan:
[6:13]
| Yes.
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Sam:
[6:14]
| A big arch.
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Ivan:
[6:15]
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. In gold.
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Sam:
[6:17]
| Oh, of course. Yes.
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Ivan:
[6:19]
| And then on top of the clubhouse entrance, I'm going to put a big golden sign that says clubhouse.
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Sam:
[6:25]
| So people know. I mean, otherwise they'd have no idea.
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Ivan:
[6:28]
| Right.
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Sam:
[6:29]
| Exactly.
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Ivan:
[6:29]
| I mean, how else would they know it's a clubhouse? What would they think it is? I think it's a gas station probably if I don't put that sign up up there. Or, you know, for a McDonald's. It is important to do that. Yes.
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Sam:
[6:41]
| Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
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Ivan:
[6:43]
| I mean, I'm, I'm learning how to do this job, this presidential job from one of the best.
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Sam:
[6:49]
| Of course.
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Ivan:
[6:50]
| And we'll make sure that we'll tackle inflation the way that he's done it. You know, those kinds of things.
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Sam:
[6:58]
| I am proud of you Mr. Bowe And you know I trust in your Administration Thank you.
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Ivan:
[7:08]
| Thank you, thank you And actually I got a lot of thanks From a number of people That were very actually happy That I was back in charge So that was, That was pleasant To get that So it was cool But a lot of work, a lot of work right now I can imagine. So what are you going to blab about now? What are you going to tell us?
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Sam:
[7:33]
| Oh, yeah.
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Ivan:
[7:34]
| What do you got?
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Sam:
[7:35]
| Okay. So this is a... Thing my son has done story. Now, to be clear, there was a thing going around, you know, this week about some guy whose son had a YouTube channel. And, you know, he showed his son how to, like, promote on YouTube by buying ads. And he showed him, like, a $20. Here's how to set up a $20 ad campaign, for your YouTube channel. And the son, then unbeknownst to the dad, ran up almost $120,000 in charges for ads for his YouTube channel on his dad's corporate card for work.
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Ivan:
[8:20]
| Well, here's a question. I mean, that had all sorts of weird things. I'm like, first of all, I'm not buying this entire story.
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Sam:
[8:30]
| Yes, look. Because first of all, I've had corporate cards. Okay, look, look. And they usually have limits. You know, I was not actually bringing up that story as going to seriously talk about it. I was going to bring it up as Alex did not do that. But since I started, since I brought it up, yes, you are absolutely right. Any reasonable thing would have flagged that card earlier. He now claims he's been fired and that he's doing stuff to try to make up the money, blah, blah, blah. And meanwhile, his son's channel is up to like 100,000, almost 100,000 subscribers as of the last time I heard about it.
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Ivan:
[9:12]
| I'm beginning to think that this is all just a whole scam to get more subscribers to that channel, which is something that I really would expect your son to be doing.
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Sam:
[9:20]
| It might be. And like, you know, and it was pointed out that like people were seeing this kid's ads. Like, you know, he was already getting some subscribers. So he was clearly doing some advertising. But maybe not that much. Maybe, like, this is just, you know, his dad's attempt to go viral because the dad put up a video. He's like, the channel is closed. We're done here because this happened and blah, blah, blah. So maybe, I don't know. It might not be real. That is not what Alex did. Although, as stated, I would not be surprised, you know. Except, you know, he still posts stuff on that channel, but less often than he used to. It's not his main thing right now, but I'll tell you the story about what he actually did do. And it relates to something we talked about last week, actually, on the show. But I'll get to that in a second. It's like bedtime a few nights ago, like three or four nights ago. Like we had finished watching the last thing we were going to watch. And I'm like putting on like the, the YouTube video that he likes to have on when he goes to sleep and I'm doing all that kind of stuff, but he, he communicates to me. by getting it all set up and putting it in front of me, that he wants me to purchase a membership to the Apple Developer Connection. Okay?
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Ivan:
[10:49]
| Okay.
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Sam:
[10:50]
| Now, for those of you who are unaware... Well, they're expensive, but...
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Ivan:
[10:56]
| Isn't it a couple of thousand bucks?
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Sam:
[10:58]
| No, no. It's a hundred bucks a year.
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Ivan:
[11:00]
| Oh, okay.
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Sam:
[11:01]
| That's not bad. It's not...
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Ivan:
[11:03]
| Okay.
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Sam:
[11:04]
| It's like not nothing, but it's not bad. It's not like what you just said. No, it's... Now, there are probably other levels you can get, but the main level for just, you know, you're a developer and you want to get everything is $100 a year. And I think it is like, it's not like, they don't have a monthly plan that you pay like $10 a month or whatever and it ends up being over $100. No, you pay the whole year up front. But like, it's $100 a year. It's not that bad. But for those who don't know what it is, like you can download the basic Apple developer tools for free. You can get all that for free. You can, you can, you know, get X code and the tools that go with it and be able to build apps on your Mac and, and whatever.
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Sam:
[11:51]
| But there, there are a couple of things like if you want, yeah, and you can use that to like build iOS apps and everything like that. but on like a simulator on your computer. If you want to actually put an app that you build yourself onto your phone, from what I understand, there are some unsanctioned ways that you can probably get around this if you're willing to be shady about it. But the officially sanctioned way to get an app that you develop yourself on your phone is through the Apple Developer Connection, and the tools are there. And also, of course, if you want to put something on the App Store, you need to go through the Apple developer connection for any of their devices, Mac included. You can develop Mac apps, of course, and not go through the Apple Store. But if you're on an iPhone... If you legitimately want an app on there, you need to go through Apple. You know, like any of the ways to... Well, they did lose that lawsuit about alternative app stores in Europe and stuff. Anyway, bottom line, the normal way to get something.
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Ivan:
[12:58]
| The easiest way, actually.
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Sam:
[12:59]
| The easiest normal way to get something on your phone is through Apple's officially sanctioned mechanisms and the Apple developer connection is part of it. And I'm like, why do you want this? What's going on? What are you trying to do? And I'm like, okay, I guess I know he's working on all kinds of video games and stuff like that. I'm like, have you gotten one of these to the point where you've decided to make a phone version of it and you want to start testing it on your phone? What's going on? What do you want to do? And he sort of like nodded and indicated that, yes, there was some project of his. Oh, no. Now my phone is talking.
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Sam:
[13:40]
| You know, just random devices talking. Anyway. so he indicated yes one of his projects was at a point where he wanted to make like an apple device version of it and this is what he wanted it for and of course and i i'd been thinking like i i at some point i want this because i want to make an ios version of my robin letter app, you know probably you know i'm not sure exactly where on my timeline that is but i know i want to do it so i'd been considering this anyway and because he's under 18 and has no legal id because he's never gotten a driver's license doesn't want one or anything like that.
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Sam:
[14:19]
| Um he does have a passport you're right so he does have legal id, we we got him a passport to say he's not done any actual international travel but we do you got him stashed away somewhere yeah, we we we got him one the last time i renewed mine we did it at the same time anyway so we because you you need a legal id and you need this and blah, blah, blah. They make sure you really are who you say you are and all that kind of stuff. But anyway, I was going to sign up and just let him use it, right? And he convinced me. I'm like, okay, fine. I'll buy you this thing. And then, they have an approval process. Like, it's pretty perfunctory. I guess they make sure you really are who you are. I don't know what they do. But they tell you it's 24 to 48 hours before it's finalized. And he got really frustrated by that. Because apparently he wanted to do whatever he was doing right then. It was like one in the freaking morning, you know, when he was asking me this. And he wanted to, like, set up and start doing what he was doing at that moment. So he was pissed that it was going to be a delay. But by the next morning, they'd already approved, okay, when he woke up. And so when we are driving to school, he grabs my phone. He grabs my laptop. He's sitting in the back seat as we drive to school. When we get to school.
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Ivan:
[15:47]
| Yeah.
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Sam:
[15:48]
| He hands me back my phone.
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Ivan:
[15:51]
| Uh-huh.
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Sam:
[15:52]
| And like all my apps are locked. And I'm like, what are you doing? Are you, are you messing with screen time? Did you set limits on my apps again? Cause he's done this before he's done like, you know, you're only allowed 15 minutes a day of Tik.
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Ivan:
[16:06]
| TOK or whatever, you know, um, you know.
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Sam:
[16:11]
| You can't be on blue sky more than an hour or whatever, you know?
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Ivan:
[16:14]
| Um, yeah.
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Sam:
[16:18]
| So, but, but everything's locked and I'm like, what's going on? And then he shows me, and this is where it ties into last week. Last week I had mentioned my smart water bottle.
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Ivan:
[16:33]
| Yeah.
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Sam:
[16:34]
| That tracks my drinking and like tells me, you know, what percentage of my target I've drunk at any moment. It lights up. It sends me alerts, graphs, charts of my water intake and all of that. And on last week's show, with him sitting a few feet away from me in the room, I had been talking about how that was working better for me than previous solutions like water bottles that listed, what had lines for where you're supposed to be by 1 p.m. and stuff like that.
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Ivan:
[17:07]
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Sam:
[17:08]
| And the smart water bottle was working better, but still not great. I still wasn't reaching my limits.
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Ivan:
[17:16]
| Okay.
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Sam:
[17:18]
| Okay.
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Ivan:
[17:18]
| Wait a minute. So, wait, wait, wait.
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Sam:
[17:22]
| Go ahead.
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Ivan:
[17:22]
| So, if you weren't at your water level, he set it up so it'd lock you out from your apps?
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Sam:
[17:30]
| Yes.
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Ivan:
[17:31]
| I love this!
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Sam:
[17:35]
| Yes, so he built and launched and installed on my phone an iOS app that connects to Apple Health to get the water. The bottle updates Apple Health, and he connects to Apple Health to find out the water level. It has a target curve for the day of where I should be at any time of day. And he connects that to screen time so that if I am below my target level at any given time of day, it locks all but a handful of apps that he specifically chose to leave open.
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Ivan:
[18:09]
| Okay, that's good. Okay, this is good. Okay, I approve. This is good. This is really good. Now, it doesn't give you a note, but it doesn't give you a note and say, hey, drink your damn water.
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Sam:
[18:20]
| Well, the note is a screen time note that says you can't open this app because it's been restricted. But you know what the cause was, you know, so and then it's got an.
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Ivan:
[18:34]
| Well, you see, if it's a random person, maybe they don't remember. You got to change it to like a gold. Like give me a notice. Hey, you're below your drinking water level. You won't be able to use any further reps.
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Sam:
[18:45]
| There are a few polishing things that he could do to make this look a little prettier and nicer. I'm not sure if screen time lets you change that message or not, but it might tell you why you're restricted. You know, and so now the first time he sprung me on this, of course, my phone's on UTC, right? So, like, we're dropping him off at school at, like, 19 UTC. So it's already, like, most of the way through the day. So at that moment, when he handed my phone to me locked, I would have had to drink, like, a liter and a half to unlock it.
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Ivan:
[19:21]
| Yeah, just guzzle it.
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Sam:
[19:22]
| Do it. Just guzzle it. Right.
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Ivan:
[19:24]
| I've done it. Listen, I have done that water guzzle. I'm very used to the water guzzle right now, like that, of a liter of water. I'm going to tell you why, because sometimes I get to security at the airport and I have this bottle. I need to dump it. All of a sudden I'm like, fuck, I didn't finish this water. So I've had to just go there. Well, OK, then, you know, because I didn't want to dump it. Because I knew if I didn't drink it, I would be thirsty.
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Sam:
[19:49]
| I understand. But let me tell you, I he showed this to me and then I took him into school. And then I left and went back to the car, and I realized I didn't know how to turn this shit off. You know, now, and I was not like you were prepared to drink a liter and a half on the spot in order to unlock my apps. Because also, I was late for a phone call. Now, he did leave the phone app unlocked.
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Ivan:
[20:21]
| Okay.
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Sam:
[20:24]
| But I needed to access the text that told me who I was calling and when and all that.
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Ivan:
[20:31]
| Did he tell you, Okay, did you just get the phone and it's locked and you have no idea why at this moment? Or did he tell you that was why?
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Sam:
[20:41]
| No, before I took him into school, he showed me the actual app he'd built that, has a few controls for it and has some stuff like that. And I sort of figured when I took him inside, oh, okay, I can pause it because I've got this call coming up and I knew...
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Ivan:
[21:02]
| You'll disable it.
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Sam:
[21:04]
| Yeah, like he'd left the phone open, but he hadn't left open the apps that I needed to get the information related to the call, like what number I was calling and all that kind of crap. You know, so and I'm already a couple minutes late now. I told the person I'd be a couple minutes late, but I didn't want to be like very late. Right.
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Ivan:
[21:29]
| Right.
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Sam:
[21:30]
| So I'm scrambling, trying to figure out on my phone, and I'm thinking about going back into the damn school and pulling him out of class to have him unlock the damn thing for me. Because I told him, look, I'm going to unlock this because it's like 80% of the way through the day. This isn't fair. I'll start it at the beginning of the new day, and I will give this an honest try. But I'm scrambling, looking through this, and I'm thinking of running back in and pulling him out. I do find the place to turn it off eventually. Like, first I'm like, okay, I'll just restart the phone. I restarted the phone. Nope, nope. It immediately was there as soon as I restarted. You know, I eventually found it like it had added a line in the screen time preferences. So, yeah, I went into screen time, went into one of the subsections in screen time, scrolled way down, found the section where it was added. I was able to disable it. And I had my call. And then it, and then I did turn it back on at the next zero UTC. And honestly, since then, A, I have been using it. I have not been cheating. The only place I somewhat cheated once, a couple, well, last night, I was going, I was meeting some people, Brandy and I were meeting some people for dinner. And I forgot to take my damn water bottle with me.
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Ivan:
[22:53]
| Oh.
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Sam:
[22:54]
| Oh, and like, I was immediately locked out because like when it hits five o'clock, it immediately locks you out till you take your first sip of water.
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Ivan:
[23:05]
| Okay.
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Sam:
[23:05]
| To get ahead of the curve because it's just started at zero. Right.
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Ivan:
[23:08]
| Okay.
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Sam:
[23:09]
| And, and, and, and, and, you know, I was, I, we were going out to dinner with somebody and I was immediately locked out. And, but my, the, the water bottle software has a way for you to tell it you drank something not from the bottle. So you, so I, I was like, you know, Brandy, Brandy was stopping to get, and we were going to dinner. We were going to bring them dessert or whatever. So we stopped somewhere to buy the dessert. I told Brandy, get me a bottle of water while you're in there. And so I chugged some water from that and I manually put in, okay, I just drank 100 milliliters or whatever and got myself unlocked. But that's the only thing. I haven't actually turned it off. I've been trying really hard to actually, like, drink the damn water to keep it unlocked. And, you know, for every day since he installed this app on my thing, I've met my water goals. whereas in the entire month and a half that I had this bottle before then I'd only met my goal once, but I've now done it several days in a row. The goddamn thing is working. Now, of course, then I was like, you know, Alex, it's a little rough around the edges.
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Sam:
[24:30]
| You know, he didn't make an icon for it, so it shows up with a little default icon thing. The menus for your setup are really plain and basic and aren't arranged.
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Ivan:
[24:43]
| He's not a graphic designer.
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Sam:
[24:45]
| It's not arranged in the optimal way. There's some things you could polish on it, but I'm like, Alex, you, you could spend a little bit more time and polish this up and actually put it on the app store for people. You could be making a couple bucks off this thing, you know? And he's like, basically he's like, screw that. You can do it if you want. You can polish it up and finish it and put it on the app store, but I'm done. I, I, my mission is accomplished. I am done.
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Ivan:
[25:14]
| To be fair, you did a pretty good job.
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Sam:
[25:20]
| Exactly. Now, to be fair, I did look subsequently on the Apple App Store to see what exists that are similar. So first of all, there are probably hundreds of apps that try to gamify your hydration in one way or another. okay by the same way connecting to apple health and you know most of them, so he's not explicitly connected to smart bottle either he's connected to apple health and the smart bottles connected to apple health, most of them do the same thing so they don't they're not like tied to some bottle or something some of them have a you know a feature where you know because they don't trust you you have to take a picture of what you're drinking, and it estimates the volume you drank and puts it in Apple Health. And a lot of them gamify it by like, you're gaining points and you get like happy little animations or whatever. But I only found two others that actually lock apps on your phone. So there are two others. This is not unique. One of them costs $10 a month in in-app purchases. The other one costs $4 a week in in-app purchases to use the locking mechanism that they have. They both look a little bit more polished. But, you know, of course, I'm thinking.
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Sam:
[26:45]
| Okay, we'll do two bucks a month. We'll undercut them. There you go. We'll gut right in there and, I don't know. Like, anyway, I was very amused that he did this at all. This is, as far as I know, his first iOS app. He beat me to it. There you go. you know, and it's basic, but it works. It has achieved its goal. It is making me drink my damn water. Because, you know, I mentioned last week, I'm apparently chronically dehydrated. My default, if left to my own devices, is to only drink like 500 to 700 milliliters a day. And you're supposed to be closer to 2,000. You know, and so, you know, I'm doing this, I'm drinking. Now, the one thing I will say is the first day I did this, my body is not used to consuming this volume of liquids.
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Ivan:
[27:40]
| You have to go to a bathroom a lot?
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Sam:
[27:43]
| I felt desperately urgent to go to the bathroom like every 15 minutes, all fucking day long.
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Ivan:
[27:50]
| All night long. This is probably a good thing, Sam.
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Sam:
[27:52]
| And I will say after the third day, I guess my bladder is getting used to it. You know, I'm not like every 15 minutes anymore. But, you know, it's still like it still feels like drinking a lot. But honestly, with with the app lockout, because I'm addicted to the damn phone.
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Ivan:
[28:12]
| Right.
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Sam:
[28:14]
| I need to be looking at, you know, I need to be looking at Blue Sky. I'm looking at threads. I'm looking at TikTok. I'm checking my email. I'm checking robin letter to make sure everything's okay and nothing's broke. You know, I'm all, you know, whatever. I'm looking at the, I'm looking at the phone all the freaking time. The phone is never not in my hand. It's not even in my pocket. It's like always in my hand. Okay. And, and so like locking this out is a real motivating factor. Like if it actually got, gets locked out, I'm like, oh shit, I have to drink right now. And I go find the bottle and drink some. And more to the point, I'm actually working on getting ahead of it because I'm like, because, by the way, as Apple also tell me, if you drink nothing else, your phone will be locked out at 2.35 p.m. or whatever. So it tells me, like, when the lockout will happen if I don't drink. And so I'm like, okay, well, I'm going to drink some more in advance of that, so that I have, you know, I know my buffer time. I'm like, I'm going to drink enough to get me an hour or whatever, you know, so... Anyway, and also, by the way, at the moment, it does exactly what I would normally do on this, is a complete linear ramp throughout the day. So, like, after you wake up, you have to catch up for what you should have theoretically drunk while you were sleeping.
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Sam:
[29:43]
| One of the potential ways to polish this is set like a sleep time, and it doesn't ramp while you're asleep, and blah, blah, blah. There are all kinds of ways you could enhance this. But it does what it's supposed to do, and it's working. So I was like, Cool. And now I have the Apple developer connection. So like when I want to do a Robin letter app, I can.
|
Ivan:
[30:03]
| There you go.
|
Sam:
[30:04]
| And, and for that matter, you know, make other random apps. Yeah. Why not? You know, apparently he put this thing together in a couple of days after listening to us talk about it on the podcast, maybe even less and got it ready to go. And it was like, yeah, so because of course this is AI assistant. absolutely right it didn't do this from scratch but still, but you know it also and i know the app stores are getting flooded with bad vibe coded apps and to be completely fair about things but it still shows you like the the barriers, have dropped dramatically for this kind of thing like if you have an idea.
|
Ivan:
[30:50]
| The thing is yeah you have an idea you could put it out now a polished app that's a different story but.
|
Sam:
[30:56]
| But that's absolutely different story and also i told him look you know if if you want to get it on the app store and it it's more than it works, you it has to like there are all kinds of rules that you have to follow and you have to make sure you meet certain standards and you know they they check for all of these things and you know so like there's a difference between a a minimal app that works as a proof of concept, versus something polished that is going to go on the app store let alone something that somebody's actually going to want to buy and spend money on you know so there there's there's there's different you know there's different thresholds here, but the the basic like hey i want to put something, i want to put something simple together for myself, that barrier is very low. But, yes, the polish part is still critically important. Like, if anybody else but you is going to use something, then you're going to want to spend a lot of time iterating and making sure it's good and making sure that it looks nice. It looks nice on different sizes and shapes of screens. It doesn't break when you do stupid things, you know, all kinds of stuff.
|
Ivan:
[32:12]
| Well, I will say that I definitely spent on the couple of things that I've built. Like, I've spent a lot of time on the look and feel.
|
Sam:
[32:20]
| You made that fitness app thing, right?
|
Ivan:
[32:22]
| I spent a lot of time on the look and feel. Okay. All right. I spent a lot of time on the look and feel. And it's got some really cool charting. It's got, I mean, it actually, people at the gym have seen it. And they've been like, hell, they're, they're, they were, can you? Can we use this for the gym?
|
Sam:
[32:46]
| Yeah, yeah.
|
Ivan:
[32:47]
| Yeah, that's how much I, but the thing is that, well, in order to get to that stage, there's a whole bunch of changes because it's really made just for me. It doesn't have multiple account security server side. There's a lot of other stuff that would take. It allowed me to really build something for myself. itself but, getting to the point where it's a robust application that's going to house people's personal information yep and that won't constantly break by the way because one of the things with all of these things is that, there is always a glitch here and a glitch there that pops up that i have to fix you know and it's cool because it's something that i did for me, but if I did it for, you know, to sell, well, people would be upset.
|
Sam:
[33:41]
| Well, I'll give you the example. A couple days ago, Yvonne here found a bug and robin letter for me.
|
Ivan:
[33:47]
| Right.
|
Sam:
[33:48]
| He hit something where he tried to load up the page and it failed and it stayed failed and he couldn't get out of that state.
|
Ivan:
[33:55]
| Yeah.
|
Sam:
[33:55]
| And so he pings me about it and like, you know, I get on the horn with Claude and it starts diving logs and trying to figure out what went wrong it fit it figured out what went wrong Yvonne got unstuck but then the next day I I, you know it worked I put it at the top of my to-do list and we pushed out an initial fix that will keep hopefully cross fingers keep people from getting stuck in the same way he was stuck, again basically it was a weird state that if it tried to load a page and for whatever reason the page didn't load completely, it would just go into a stuck state and could not recover. So now it's got something where if it gets a partial page load like that, it'll try again and it'll recover assuming like your network came back or whatever it was. Now there are other problems that I've added to my backlog to make it more robust so that won't happen in the first place, like to reduce the size of the payload that's being sent back and forth and all kinds of other stuff like that.
|
Sam:
[35:05]
| But the point is yeah the and this is this particular bug that yvonne hit was i launched in february this is the first time that somebody has reported this particular problem to me and i haven't seen it and and you you you want you do the support and i've got my to-do list has like a half dozen visual glitches that i've seen like once or twice like i saw you know i saw this once while trying to load it up in the park on my phone, and it, like, didn't render entirely properly. So I took a screenshot, added it to my backlog to investigate more. And it's, like, these rare edge case glitches, that, you know, you don't spot initially, even if you do fairly robust testing because they're rare, but if you've got actual users using stuff, you're going to hit them, and you have to.
|
Ivan:
[35:57]
| Like, dig into it. fair i may be being you know hard on myself because uh look i i there are plenty of uh crap.
|
Sam:
[36:06]
| Ops out there.
|
Ivan:
[36:07]
| Yeah yeah that have issues regularly shit that doesn't work blah blah blah even like a well-developed one like say my whoop app, it had a it there was a bug that and i even engaged support which has baffled everybody related to, you know it does behavior logging And I was logging some behaviors and it was like showing like a whole bunch of them where it would show that I didn't do it, even though I logged it as done. And I'm like, what the fuck? I logged all those days and, and, and we could, I could never get it resolved.
|
Sam:
[36:42]
| Yeah, no, I mean, look, even the biggest things have bugs, but the point you were making is the difference between an app for yourself, where if something goes wrong, you're like, oh, well, I'll just try it again, versus an app that you're trying to get others to use. there is a threshold of polish that you want to have there. And you're absolutely right. There's some things out there that are just crap. You know, but you aspire to be better than just crap, or at least I do. You know, there are a bunch of people out there that are like, I don't care if it's crap. If I can get it out there and get like, you know, a hundred people to play a buck a month, I'm getting a buck a month from a hundred people. I don't care if it's crap. And, you know, if they forget to unsubscribe when they realize it's crap, all the better.
|
Ivan:
[37:35]
| Right.
|
Sam:
[37:36]
| You know, as someone who kept their AOL subscription for over a decade after the last time I used it, you know, I feel that, you know. But, oh, and let's see. What do I have over here, Yvonne?
|
Ivan:
[37:56]
| Oh my god.
|
Sam:
[38:00]
| For those of you just listening on audio, I'm holding up a Netflix envelope, with a DVD still in it from when Netflix sent out DVDs. I think I've got all three of the final DVDs. It looks like I opened it, watched the DVD, and sealed the return envelope, ready to send it back to them, but I never did. because I had one of those subscriptions where they send you the new disc once you send in the old one, and I just never sent this one back. And they don't want it anymore. They don't have that service.
|
Ivan:
[38:38]
| Are you sure? They don't want it anymore?
|
Sam:
[38:40]
| I'm pretty sure they don't want this anymore. And I don't know what movie is in here, but, you know, maybe someday I'll just crack this open and watch it. But, you know, hey, you know, this Netflix, maybe in 30 or 40 years, this Netflix thing will sell on eBay for like hundreds of dollars or something.
|
Ivan:
[39:02]
| Maybe.
|
Sam:
[39:02]
| Of course, it's got like a food stain in the corner and, you know, I don't know.
|
Ivan:
[39:05]
| You know, I still remember this one time when like eBay started where my friend Javier actually took a piece of junk mail and actually put it up for sale on eBay and somebody paid for it.
|
Sam:
[39:18]
| That's beautiful.
|
Ivan:
[39:19]
| Just a random piece of fucking junk mail. He just put it, you know, he just put it up on email. Hey, junk mail here. Anybody bid on it. It wasn't a lot, but somebody bought it.
|
Sam:
[39:32]
| And he sent it to them? Yes.
|
Ivan:
[39:33]
| Yes. Yes.
|
Sam:
[39:37]
| Oh, man, that's beautiful.
|
Ivan:
[39:39]
| Anyway. Oh, hey, we had all those people. You remember the whole NFT thing? Oh, yes. Yes.
|
Sam:
[39:46]
| How are the...
|
Ivan:
[39:47]
| How are those guys doing, huh? I mean, I was reading about a guy recently who spent, I don't know, how many hundreds of thousands of dollars on something. On one. On one NFT. On one NFT, right.
|
Sam:
[40:03]
| Yes.
|
Ivan:
[40:03]
| It's like now, I mean, that you could, I mean, it was absolutely worthless right now. It's just, you know, it's just.
|
Sam:
[40:11]
| Honestly, it was clear they were worthless at the time. But, you know, still, people bought them. I mean, I don't know. I mean, you could say, of course, you can say the whole thing about the entire crypto industry.
|
Ivan:
[40:28]
| Yeah.
|
Sam:
[40:30]
| Although I've been noticing my long dormant crypto portfolio is, let's see, let me get an updated, is up 60% in the last month.
|
Ivan:
[40:46]
| Oh, there you go.
|
Sam:
[40:48]
| Of course there's not much there but it because i i i pulled out a lot like a few years ago when i needed to cash for something but like what what what what was left it's going up you know, all of the almost all of the movement is on something called zcash zcash, zcash which let's see it's it's up 30% in the last week 170% in the last month, and 2,900% over the last year this Zcash thing nice now, You know, I don't know what it is, what it's good for. Probably nothing. It'll probably crash back down to zero, just like the NFTs any moment now. But it's sitting there in an account. And it's worth a lot more than what I originally bought it for at this point.
|
Ivan:
[41:48]
| Well, that's good.
|
Sam:
[41:50]
| That's good. I mean, that's positive. Compared to most, most of, you know, I went through like a while where every week I was buying $50 of some random shit coin. Okay. Most of them are now worth well, well, well under the $50 they started at. You know, many of them are worth less than a dollar. Quite a few of them are worth zero, but, you know, but there are a handful that, you know, are, are still up, you know, that, and so like on, on the whole, I mean, I pulled out a lot of my actual Bitcoin. that's what i sold most of i had i had bitcoin that was worth, several thousand dollars by the time i got rid of it and often off of an original 50 bucks but like most of the but yeah there are a handful that are you know, i i think overall i'm still down slightly on like the total amount i put in, but but not by that much yeah anyway and this one's way up we'll see i fully expect them all all to go to zero, i i fully expect them all to go to zero eventually.
|
Ivan:
[43:11]
| At some point you know one thing that i realized the other day i was going through some of the stuff that i've done over time and you know i don't know if you remember that's you know like years ago that i released this, document system that that actually relied on ethereum for like uh they used a blockchain.
|
Sam:
[43:27]
| You mean for one of your jobs?
|
Ivan:
[43:30]
| For one of my jobs.
|
Sam:
[43:31]
| Not you personally released this thing.
|
Ivan:
[43:33]
| No, no, no, no. This was a product that I was going to market, which basically the whole idea was, say you got a birth certificate and you want to make sure it's authentic. So you, as someone that issued the birth certificate, could give the certificate, assign it, blockchain that then they could use it to verify the veracity of that document okay, that was the that was the whole thing it was just it was it was a way of tracking but i realized that thinking about this there was this big, boom and like everybody talking about how blockchain is going to replace databases and we're going to move into this and blah blah blah blah whatever That is so dead, Sam. This is, it is, it is absolutely nobody fucking talks about.
|
Sam:
[44:24]
| But wait, Yvonne, before that, wasn't it going to replace fiat currency?
|
Ivan:
[44:29]
| Yes.
|
Sam:
[44:30]
| Like, yo.
|
Ivan:
[44:31]
| And the issues are quite, the main issue with all the blockchains, the main issue is performance. they they are extremely unless you're using a wallet like which kind of defeats the purpose of the blockchain can i be honest because then that means when you're using those wallets, you're not really transferring the ownership in the way of the of the.
|
Sam:
[45:00]
| Of those in the way that that it's supposed to.
|
Ivan:
[45:02]
| Have been designed for.
|
Sam:
[45:03]
| Any of those exchanges like if you've got like a coinbase account which is what i have you know you you don't actually directly own anything you don't have any of those tokens coinbase does and coinbase is giving you access to it which makes it a lot easier for you but like you said it means like the in actuality, you know coinbase is the owner of any of that cryptocurrency you are not they're just promising you that they'll let you exchange Change it for cash or other cryptocurrencies if you want to. And the reason— Some of them are for private wallets where you can do stuff, but whatever. If you're just basically using it, the cheap and easy way. Yeah, go ahead.
|
Ivan:
[45:52]
| And the reason why this happens is because it's two dams to make a transaction actually on the blockchain to transfer ownership is painfully, painfully, painfully slow. Okay. And to the point where it's unusable. So you wind up using the damn databases that you were saying that you were going to replace in order to track the ownership of the fucking bitcoins.
|
Sam:
[46:18]
| Right. Because Coinbase or whoever only actually makes a transaction when they need to move something outside of themselves.
|
Ivan:
[46:26]
| From one of – exactly. Outside of the exchange.
|
Sam:
[46:29]
| That's it. And, yeah. So, I don't know. We got this. You know, you still have your tulips from several hundred years ago that I know you bought a lot of, Yvonne, back then. Oh, yeah, yeah.
|
Ivan:
[46:44]
| Back in my previous life. Absolutely.
|
Sam:
[46:46]
| Yeah, yeah. We got the Beanie Baby collection. It's going to take off again anytime now. You know, all this kind of stuff. And, you know, the key identification of all of these things. And, you know, people, like you said, people kept trying to make use cases for cryptocurrency that were not just speculation. We're not just buy it now, sell it when it's higher later. Because that's what most people did with all of these kinds of things. It's what I effectively did with the ones I experimented with. And, you know, the actual real use cases... are all like, there are other technologies that are better.
|
Ivan:
[47:36]
| Yep.
|
Sam:
[47:36]
| Except, except illegal transactions. And even then you could argue that there are some technologies that are better.
|
Ivan:
[47:46]
| I'll tell you what technology is better for that. You want to know what it is?
|
Sam:
[47:50]
| Bag of cash.
|
Ivan:
[47:51]
| Cash!
|
Sam:
[47:52]
| Bag of cash. Absolutely.
|
Ivan:
[47:54]
| That's right. A bag of good old cash.
|
Sam:
[47:59]
| Right. Yeah. Yes. Okay. No movies today. We'll move on in just a second.
|
Ivan:
[48:08]
| Not much of anything else today. I mean, we really, how long have we gone? Because I am using this thing now. It has no timer.
|
Sam:
[48:19]
| We're not counting our multiple false starts. We're only 48 minutes in.
|
Ivan:
[48:26]
| That can't be right.
|
Sam:
[48:28]
| That's correct. We're only 48 minutes in. Everything else was, you know, either before we started, because we started a bit late anyway, or was multiple attempts where the recording didn't work out and we started over.
|
Ivan:
[48:43]
| Okay. Wow.
|
Sam:
[48:45]
| So we're only 48 minutes in. Okay. We don't have to go a full two, three, four hours today, though.
|
Ivan:
[48:51]
| Yeah, because it's already gone like an hour and a half, almost.
|
Sam:
[48:54]
| Yeah. So anyway, the two movies, preview for next time. Blade Runner from 1982.
|
Ivan:
[49:04]
| Oh, the 82 one.
|
Sam:
[49:05]
| The 82 one. And Hocus Pocus 2 from 2022. That is the plan. But for the time being, let's take a break. And then we'll see whatever we want to talk about on the news. Back after this.
|
Sam:
[50:14]
| And, you know, I said 48 minutes, but for anybody who's trying to fact check me by at the moment, I said that looking at the time on their podcast player, just so you know, that's pre-editing. I run this through post-processing to like remove long silences and things like that so that the time won't line up with what I said. so and I know all of you out there are sticklers and at the exact moment I set a time you looked at your podcast player and were like Sam is lying and threw the phone, and they threw their phone against the wall in a rage of course of course what else would you do in that situation I mean, you know you have to do that right okay, How about actual news, Yvonne?
|
Ivan:
[51:07]
| There is news.
|
Sam:
[51:08]
| Where do you want to start?
|
Ivan:
[51:10]
| There is news.
|
Sam:
[51:12]
| I'll run through our list real quick. Hey. The Kennedy Center, Trump Jr.'s wedding, the White House press ban, gas prices, the military using AI, this miraculous new deal about Greenland. We apparently did. We do have Greenland or something, something. Anyway. So what's. Okay. Where do you want to start?
|
Ivan:
[51:33]
| I'm going to start with a gas price thing. And I'm going to tell you why I'm going to start with a gas price thing. Because this is now turning into potentially what could be the worst disaster for the Republicans that they ever imagined. Okay. This is now spiraled out of control. And I had, to my credit, and I'll not give myself some credit, predicted that this was going to happen. Because one of the ways that they were trying to tamp down prices, because they hadn't been able to really resolve this stupid Iran thing, right, was by dumping the SPR. And they used it in a records amount to where it's now at the lowest point it's been in decades.
|
Sam:
[52:26]
| Right.
|
Ivan:
[52:26]
| Well, at some point, that couldn't continue.
|
Sam:
[52:31]
| Are they going to take it all the way down to zero?
|
Ivan:
[52:34]
| I don't know if they're going to take it all the way down to zero, but right now it's not, well, they can't keep dumping any of it without impact. And the other problem is, is another one of these- And by the way.
|
Sam:
[52:47]
| The U.S. is not the only one, right? There have been some other countries that have been drawing down their reserves as well.
|
Ivan:
[52:55]
| Okay. For some reason, there you go.
|
Sam:
[52:58]
| Oh, Yvonne is being confused by the FaceTime feature where when you do a thumbs up.
|
Ivan:
[53:03]
| But why is it not on FaceTime?
|
Sam:
[53:07]
| Apple applies it to anything that uses the video feed unless you turn it off.
|
Ivan:
[53:13]
| Okay. I didn't know I had it on. Anyway.
|
Sam:
[53:16]
| So for those who are not aware of this feature, Yvonne did a thumbs up on the screen.
|
Ivan:
[53:21]
| There it goes. There it goes again.
|
Sam:
[53:23]
| And so a little bubble with a thumbs up like floats over the video. So there's a few different gestures that do things. That's just one of them. But Yvonne just triggered it multiple times. So he's having fun with that.
|
Ivan:
[53:36]
| So, you know, look, Trump had promised that he was going to end inflation on day one, that he's going to bring gas to $2, under $2. And another thing that he was going to do is— Oh.
|
Sam:
[53:48]
| Under $2. I know the national average is like, what, $4 or something?
|
Ivan:
[53:52]
| $4.30. Regular is over $4.30 in climate.
|
Sam:
[53:56]
| Okay, I just wanted to give, I pulled up Gas Buddy just now, and the range in my particular area is from 518 to 609, depending on which gas station you're stopping.
|
Ivan:
[54:08]
| I keep seeing everywhere, five bucks, five bucks around here. But, Sam, he promised he was going to end the Ukraine war.
|
Sam:
[54:17]
| In, like, the first 24 hours.
|
Ivan:
[54:18]
| I believe he saw that. Right, that's like, yeah, you know, I will end, you know, I will immediately end the Ukraine war. And so... the Ukraine war is not over and he started the Iran war.
|
Sam:
[54:31]
| Yup.
|
Ivan:
[54:32]
| And I got another thumbs up. Okay. And it's very exciting for you. So, um, um, be sure.
|
Sam:
[54:40]
| Be sure to keep, keep that on. Like when you're taking important business meetings.
|
Ivan:
[54:45]
| Yeah. Fuck. You know, it's anyway. And so we're like right now where one of the things that's, that's been going on with the Ukraine war is that, well, Ukraine has been hitting fuel production in Russia, okay?
|
Sam:
[55:01]
| Right.
|
Ivan:
[55:02]
| And they're doing it because the diesel is a very important component of the Russian war effort. It's just reality. They need fuel to move shit around like the rest of the world. And so they have been targeting that. And Russia, even during the war, was still providing about 10% of the global supply of diesel. And so they exported a significant amount. And so that has that that, you know, Ukraine hitting Russia really hard in that area is causing diesel supply to go down and the price of the rest of the supply to go up, to where right now it has breached the all time price high of diesel inflation adjusted ever. This is including this is inflation adjusted. This is we are at an all time high for diesel.
|
Sam:
[56:03]
| OK, well, you know, my my vehicle's not diesel, so I don't care. Right.
|
Ivan:
[56:10]
| Ah, how do you think you get anything into, you know, all most of the goods around the U.S. or the world get moved?
|
Sam:
[56:18]
| Hot air balloon.
|
Ivan:
[56:19]
| Ah, that's it. Yes. Well, if it was a hot air balloon, then all we had to do is, like, plug a hose to the White House, and then we could power the entire nation. But since that's not the case, okay, it is diesel.
|
Sam:
[56:33]
| Right.
|
Ivan:
[56:33]
| Diesel locomotives, diesel trucks, diesel ships, a lot of diesel. A lot of ships don't use diesel, some smaller ones. But the trucks and diesel locomotives is a huge part, especially the trucks, the damn 18 wheelers. And at the price where it is, truckers are going bankrupt. and the price of everything will get, it's not whether it is going to get impacted because the only way for them to be able to stay in business is by jacking up shipping rates.
|
Sam:
[57:09]
| Yes.
|
Ivan:
[57:10]
| So.
|
Sam:
[57:12]
| And as usual, like things like this, have a time lag before they get noticed by the usual consumer.
|
Ivan:
[57:21]
| Well, everybody is now noticing it badly.
|
Sam:
[57:25]
| Well, everybody notices the big signs on every gas station in the past. Like, I have an electric vehicle. I haven't filled up my gas tank in well over a year because I don't have one anymore.
|
Ivan:
[57:37]
| Right.
|
Sam:
[57:38]
| But-
|
Ivan:
[57:39]
| You notice that price of the gas station.
|
Sam:
[57:42]
| Because I drive past them all the time. There are a couple stations I know are higher. There are a couple stations I know I'm lower. And every time I drive by, I'm like, oh, that one's getting really close to $6.
|
Ivan:
[57:54]
| Yeah.
|
Sam:
[57:55]
| You know? It's going to go over any day now. I'll have to make a plan so that when I actually see that go over $6, I pull over and take a picture to share in the curmudgeon square of Slack. Right. And so you notice it whether you want to or not. The effects on other prices take longer for people to particularly notice. But in this case, those prices have already gone up from what's happened since February. The question is how much more they go up.
|
Ivan:
[58:30]
| The thing is, Sam, there is still no endgame. I was talking about this last week about what should a president do if they come in to replace Trump? And what do you do about this? And it's like, you need to end this thing. Just fucking just end it. Whatever. It's over. It's done. We lost. Admit defeat. Get out. But Trump will never do that. Trump will never do that. So the situation is just going to spiral and get worse. It's just going to get worse. We have the straighter hormones still blocked. The Houthis went and took over that fucking oil pipeline and are blocking shipments of Saudi Arabian oil. The U.S. basically said that they're not going to involve the military in protecting that pipeline. Okay?
|
Sam:
[59:17]
| By the way, a correction for last week's show. I had said the Houthis hit that pipeline and damaged it. It is probably an Iranian-backed group, but the missiles that hit the pipeline were shot from Iraq. Um, you know, so it is, but, but anyway, so yeah, but it's all part of the same regional battle. It's, you know, whether it was actually the Houthis hitting it or Iranian backed people in Iraq, you know, either way, they hit that pipeline. It's causing problems. The Houthis are in a position where they could threaten traffic on the Red Sea.
|
Ivan:
[59:59]
| Right.
|
Sam:
[1:00:00]
| That other thing. they haven't done it yet but they're clearly but they.
|
Ivan:
[1:00:03]
| Sure as hell are positioned for it.
|
Sam:
[1:00:06]
| Yeah they're positioned to do that if the word was given we could close that off too you know so look.
|
Ivan:
[1:00:15]
| The number, of Trump supporters that I've seen online basically expressing how they have been fucked has been soaring, in an incredible way.
|
Sam:
[1:00:32]
| Yes.
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Ivan:
[1:00:33]
| Look, when you're in Texas, in fucking Texas, and you're going to the gas station and seeing diesel at $6.50, okay?
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Sam:
[1:00:43]
| Mm-hmm.
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Ivan:
[1:00:43]
| Let me tell you something. That one has to be brutal to stomach at this point. And, oh, I don't know if you've heard what are the solutions they floated, okay, to solve the problem. You know what they wanted to do?
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Sam:
[1:00:58]
| Drive less.
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Ivan:
[1:01:00]
| Well, that was one. Okay, good point.
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Sam:
[1:01:02]
| I did.
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Ivan:
[1:01:02]
| One of them said that. The Secretary of Energy did go. I gave her energy transportation. Oh, solve the problem. Drive less.
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Sam:
[1:01:11]
| Right.
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Ivan:
[1:01:11]
| There you go. The next thing I'm expecting us to recommend is for them to buy electric vehicles.
|
Sam:
[1:01:18]
| You know, except it's so antithetical to them that they're going to have a hard time swallowing that.
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Ivan:
[1:01:26]
| Wait, listen, you're talking about antithetical. The other thing that they were saying— Except Elon.
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Sam:
[1:01:30]
| Of course.
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Ivan:
[1:01:31]
| They were saying the other day, the other thing that they wanted to do was block exports of diesel fuel.
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Sam:
[1:01:39]
| Okay.
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Ivan:
[1:01:40]
| Like that's going to and by the way which maybe it will cause the price of diesel in the United States to drop but what will that do the international market is going to cause that price to soar, so you're still going to get fucked because everybody else is going to be paying like, It's twice as much more for diesel. And so you're going to wind up paying for it anyway.
|
Sam:
[1:02:05]
| Well, you know, you're making an assumption here, Yvonne, because Donald Trump also is upset about the Fed raising interest rates. And one of the things that he said he might do in response to the Fed's raising interest rates.
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Ivan:
[1:02:23]
| It solved the problem with the deficit because a deficit is a loss, Sam. That's what it is. And so how do we cut the losses?
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Sam:
[1:02:33]
| We completely cut international trade entirely.
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Ivan:
[1:02:37]
| Correct.
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Sam:
[1:02:39]
| Like if there are no imports at all, Yvonne.
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Ivan:
[1:02:42]
| There are no losses.
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Sam:
[1:02:44]
| Well, it also solves your issue, right? Because if the price of diesel goes down inside the U.S. and only up outside, We only care if we're importing goods from outside. If we stop those imports 100 percent, we don't care about that anymore.
|
Ivan:
[1:03:01]
| I wonder what the price of U.S. grown bananas is going to be.
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Sam:
[1:03:07]
| You know, people say there are none. There actually are some U.S. grown bananas.
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Ivan:
[1:03:12]
| Well, we got some Puerto Ricos.
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Sam:
[1:03:13]
| We got some Puerto Ricos. There's some in Hawaii.
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Ivan:
[1:03:16]
| It's a small amount.
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Sam:
[1:03:17]
| There's some in Hawaii. There's some in Puerto Rico.
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Ivan:
[1:03:19]
| Those bananas from Puerto Rico are going to be worth, let me tell you something, we're probably, Puerto Rico is going to become like a petro state, but instead of oil, it's going to be based on bananas because the bananas are going to be worth like, you know, $15 per banana or some shit like that.
|
Sam:
[1:03:36]
| Yeah. Yes, exactly. But look, all of these things take time to adapt. Like, you know, if we need domestic bananas only, people will build the appropriate indoor greenhouses.
|
Ivan:
[1:03:48]
| And what does that take? A couple of weeks?
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Sam:
[1:03:51]
| Yeah, that's reasonable. I could do it faster.
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Ivan:
[1:03:53]
| Maybe a month. Maybe a month.
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Sam:
[1:03:55]
| Maybe a month. Okay. I see. You build all of your indoor greenhouses. You repurpose some, like, old skyscrapers that nobody's using. You just make them into banana farms, indoor banana farms.
|
Ivan:
[1:04:12]
| Okay.
|
Sam:
[1:04:14]
| You know?
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Ivan:
[1:04:15]
| That makes sense. What about those chips? You know, what don't we do about the chips? That also takes another week or two, right? Yeah. Okay.
|
Sam:
[1:04:26]
| Something like that. Well, I mean, this was the whole point of tariffs, right? is to bring, you know, manufacturing, including bananas.
|
Ivan:
[1:04:33]
| You know, the other thing that, you know, that we're going to make, like, immediately, like, the next day, is all that fertilizer that we buy. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I'm sure that, you know, tomorrow we'll have fertilizer factories will be popping up all over America. Chip factories in a month, Sam.
|
Sam:
[1:04:55]
| Yeah.
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Ivan:
[1:04:56]
| Everything will be manufactured here with his growing labor force that, oh yeah, right, we're throwing them out. Right.
|
Sam:
[1:05:06]
| Yvonne, Yvonne, this is what the robots are for.
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Ivan:
[1:05:11]
| Oh, yes, that's right. Because AI is like, you know, yeah, because AI is ready to replace us all already. So because AI is infallible, I don't need to tell, you know, like in the old days where I needed to redirect Claude like 17 different times because it screwed up the fucking thing I asked it 17 times until I got it right. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. They solved that problem.
|
Sam:
[1:05:38]
| Entirely.
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Ivan:
[1:05:39]
| Entirely. Right now, it will just, like, hear me now, and it will do what I, I mean, it will know what I'm thinking, Sam.
|
Sam:
[1:05:49]
| And they've fully solved, like, you know, making robots controlled by this stuff, too. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
|
Ivan:
[1:05:54]
| Because, you know, you've been back on self-driving cars. That's why you see them walking down the street all the time. Yeah, and you have these self-driving cars that are already, like, perfect.
|
Sam:
[1:06:04]
| Yeah. Look, I mean, obviously, even if he tried, Donald Trump would not successfully shut down all international trade. Of course, he would still want the exports, just not the imports.
|
Ivan:
[1:06:19]
| Right. We're going to export stuff, but we're not going to import anything.
|
Sam:
[1:06:23]
| Nothing. Nothing.
|
Ivan:
[1:06:25]
| Nothing.
|
Sam:
[1:06:27]
| But obviously, that's not going to happen, even if he tried to do it.
|
Ivan:
[1:06:31]
| The thing is that he doesn't understand that the word is trade.
|
Sam:
[1:06:36]
| Right.
|
Ivan:
[1:06:37]
| Trade. It's called trade. Okay? It's not called, you know, it's not mercantilist.
|
Sam:
[1:06:47]
| I don't know what you're saying, Yvonne. Are you saying Donald Trump is wrong? Because that's just impossible. Anyway.
|
Ivan:
[1:06:54]
| I mean, what I'm saying is, you know, like right now, is that we are being thrown into a terrible economic, spiral by the dumbest fucker to ever occupy the White House.
|
Sam:
[1:07:09]
| Completely self-inflicted.
|
Ivan:
[1:07:11]
| Completely self-inflicted. This is not any exogenous factors. This is all, all him.
|
Sam:
[1:07:20]
| And getting back to what you were saying about all the videos we're seeing of Trump voters realizing how much they've been fucked.
|
Ivan:
[1:07:31]
| Right.
|
Sam:
[1:07:32]
| You're seeing this more and more. And, of course, there's a core group that's going to remain loyal all the time. But there are so many of these, like farmers. You mentioned the truckers. You know, there are entire industries that are getting destroyed right now because of these policies. Now, last time in the first administration, this was immediately followed up with like bailouts to help some of these. Okay, we fucked the farmers. Let's just give them all cash to like try to make up for it. I don't know if we'll end up doing that kind of thing again this time.
|
Ivan:
[1:08:10]
| Well, that's so capitalist.
|
Sam:
[1:08:15]
| You, Yes, that and taking impartial ownership of lots of companies, too.
|
Ivan:
[1:08:22]
| Right.
|
Sam:
[1:08:23]
| Very exactly what the conservatives have been touting for decades. Yeah, no. But yeah, there was a poll this week. I shared it on the Curmudgeon's Course Slack where people were, apparently Donald Trump's rating specifically on handling inflation is the worst of any president ever.
|
Ivan:
[1:08:52]
| Ever.
|
Sam:
[1:08:53]
| Including, people pointed out, Jimmy Carter, who had double-digit inflation in the 70s. And there was somebody complaining on Blue Sky about how this was so irrational. And this was not a Trump supporter. This was somebody that says, what have we done training people to think like 3% inflation or whatever we're at right now is catastrophic.
|
Ivan:
[1:09:21]
| The problem is it's not really 3% inflation, and that's part of the problem, okay? There are a lot of specific things that the prices—I mean, when you're looking at gas, that is at double the price, okay? It's not really—one thing I've been saying is that they've been manipulating these inflation statistics. And if you look at what happened four years ago with the Ukraine war, then inflation got over 10%, okay, back then. The reality is that this price spike has been longer and worse, okay, than then. We've added these tariffs as well. And so the price spike right now Is going to In real terms Because the data also takes a while to flow through Is going to make Fucking 2022 Seem like a picnic.
|
Sam:
[1:10:14]
| Right. But also, when people are comparing to Jimmy Carter, the thing that I pointed out—well, lots of people pointed this out. And the guy that I saw in Blue Sky was trying to refute this in various ways, but I wasn't convinced. But basically, look, it's your opinion on how he's handling inflation, not on the inflation itself necessarily.
|
Ivan:
[1:10:37]
| Well, that is why Jimmy Carter got much better marks, because the problem is most people can see that this president is not doing a damn thing, nothing to help with the inflation situation.
|
Sam:
[1:10:54]
| He repeatedly talks about how he thinks it's a hoax. It's not real. No one should care about it. And what he's actually doing is repeatedly doing things to make it worse.
|
Ivan:
[1:11:06]
| Correct.
|
Sam:
[1:11:08]
| He is not doing Bill Clinton's I feel your pain at all. You know.
|
Ivan:
[1:11:21]
| Oh, God.
|
Sam:
[1:11:25]
| You can't even imagine Donald Trump trying to be empathetic or pretend to be empathetic. You can't even imagine him trying to pretend. And so that's part of it. And then again, like every time he turns around, not only is he not doing things to make it better, he's doing things to make it worse. And every time you hear him talking about anything, it's his damn ballroom. It's the arch. It's the new, like, helicopter landing pad at the White House. These are the things he cares about.
|
Ivan:
[1:11:58]
| I did not confirm if this is true. I saw it online. I did not. Did he fucking gold plate the Iwo Jima fucking, like, thing?
|
Sam:
[1:12:12]
| I don't think so. I have not seen anything about that.
|
Ivan:
[1:12:15]
| And I'm pretty sure I would have. I saw somebody post that. Well, the thing is that I wasn't sure it was true, but then again, it wouldn't surprise me. He's just bathing in gold every other fucking monument in Washington.
|
Sam:
[1:12:25]
| Let's see. There. Da, da, da, da, da, da, da. I'm not seeing. I'm just trying to check a few sources. Okay. Rolling Stone magazine two days ago.
|
Ivan:
[1:12:41]
| Yeah.
|
Sam:
[1:12:42]
| Said, has an article, Trump fantasizes about dipping Iwo Jima Memorial in gold.
|
Ivan:
[1:12:49]
| It's a fantasy right now. But shit.
|
Sam:
[1:12:51]
| Yes.
|
Ivan:
[1:12:52]
| Okay. It's not that much better in terms of the polling.
|
Sam:
[1:12:56]
| The thing they point to was... Okay. He posted some AI slop of gold-plated Iwo Jima memorial on Truth Social. That apparently is the extent of this.
|
Ivan:
[1:13:11]
| So there you go. This is... I mean, this is what this fucker is focused on.
|
Sam:
[1:13:20]
| Right. And this is what people are seeing, and even his old supporters are getting frustrated and shaking their heads. And, you know, the core group is the core group. They'll always be there. But, you know, approval ratings are dropping, you know, and continuing to. It's unclear how much lower it can go, but he's trying to find out.
|
Ivan:
[1:13:47]
| Well, listen, right now, the Democrat in recent, I haven't seen this in a year in a while, the Democrats ahead on the Florida governor's race.
|
Sam:
[1:13:59]
| Yep.
|
Ivan:
[1:14:00]
| And it's not a fluke. The Democrat is is ahead. OK, I mean, this guy is going to wind up pushing all these states that had gone, to the Republican ledger and is going to make it make them lose them because there's just, because the situation is so painful and he's doing nothing, nothing to make it better.
|
Sam:
[1:14:27]
| Yes. Yeah. Look, we talked about election stuff before. This is the Senate races all over the country that are competitive that nobody thought would be. They're governor's races that are competitive that no one thought would be. Like Abbott is still ahead in the governor race in Texas, but it's close.
|
Ivan:
[1:14:47]
| Right.
|
Sam:
[1:14:48]
| It's closer than anybody thought it would be. It looks like he's ahead by 5% right now. But, you know, which is still a nice, healthy winning margin. But it's closer than anybody thought it would be. And that's like true all over the place. and uh so and and look i i want to be clear on this it would only take like a minor like if the polls are underestimating the republicans by like two percent, then all of these like states where it's like looking close where but go away yeah yeah that.
|
Ivan:
[1:15:30]
| That's true if it's underestimating them. But the reality is that, nothing is favoring them right now.
|
Sam:
[1:15:39]
| No. And G. Elliott Morris posted something on his substack or whatever earlier this week, I think, saying that he thinks there's actually signs that the polls may still be underestimating the Democrats this time around. He also posted something about how, in general, the previous cycle errors in the polls are not predictive of current cycle errors in the polls, which, by the way, I have to think about for election graphs, because my whole probability stuff is based on looking at the previous elections, so I'll look carefully at what he said. But, you know, if they've gotten it wrong in one direction four times in a row, come on, at least you have to mentally default that that's probably going to happen again. You recognize that it might not, but like, you're like, okay, come on. They underestimate the Republicans every single fucking time. That's got to be the default position going in. Apparently over the longer term, it has not been a reliable indicator.
|
Ivan:
[1:16:41]
| That's not been a reliable indicator.
|
Sam:
[1:16:43]
| The last error is not a good indicator of the next error, but still.
|
Ivan:
[1:16:47]
| But actually, I correct you on that. What was it? In 2018. That there was a surge in Democrats. It was actually way underestimated in that way. So we've had it both ways.
|
Sam:
[1:17:02]
| Oh, you're correcting me on the last four in a row thing. Yeah, no, I was talking about presidential, but yes, yes.
|
Ivan:
[1:17:09]
| Yeah, and this is more- And it wasn't even four.
|
Sam:
[1:17:12]
| It's like the last three in a row anyway. Go ahead, whatever.
|
Ivan:
[1:17:15]
| But look, man, this whole Senate thing. or alaska you've got that, the the the poll average is that what's his name's uh the democrats ahead florida right now there were no well actually we have no, the here's the thing the only poll with the with the current candidate because before there's you know there's, they had it was they thought it was vindman okay right gonna be in july but now it's it's not vindman anymore So there's only been two polls, but the last one has him in a tie. Yeah, because he unexpectedly lost the primary. He unexpectedly lost, and he had him in a tie. Georgia is blue right now for the Senate races. Iowa, let's see. Iowa is like a point. I mean, Trafalgar group has the Republican only ahead by two.
|
Sam:
[1:18:04]
| Right.
|
Ivan:
[1:18:06]
| I mean, Jesus, Maine, the Democrats ahead on the polling average. Michigan, the Democrats ahead. I mean, Ohio, the Democrats ahead. I mean, it's across the board.
|
Sam:
[1:18:24]
| Right. And the ones you've listed so far, other than when you mentioned Florida, are ones that were expected to be swing. But they're ones that were expected to be definitely Republican.
|
Ivan:
[1:18:38]
| Right.
|
Sam:
[1:18:39]
| That are now people are like, oh, well, maybe they'll actually be close. North Carolina.
|
Ivan:
[1:18:45]
| Yeah, but still, that's a Republican seat right now, right?
|
Sam:
[1:18:53]
| I have to check. But the Democrat has been expected to take that for a while.
|
Ivan:
[1:18:56]
| Yeah, but OK. But that was a Republican seat. So that would be another. But these are all that I'm mentioning are flips.
|
Sam:
[1:19:04]
| Right.
|
Ivan:
[1:19:05]
| I mean, these are all flips. This is way more than what the fuck the Democrats need to take control of the Senate.
|
Sam:
[1:19:11]
| Now, yeah, yeah, you have to like, you have to make sure we have enough to account for Fetterman.
|
Ivan:
[1:19:17]
| But yes, yeah, still more than enough. So, I mean, yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's bad. So, and Trump isn't doing anything to help the Republicans. So, and, or the economy, or all of us in general. Look, this goes beyond, like, forget about the race. You know, well, I'm not forgetting about the race, but the race is a result of what's going on. But, man, he's fucking everything up so bad. But we are, he has really put the country in a really, really precarious situation right now.
|
Sam:
[1:20:04]
| Well, all of the people, not all of them, but a lot of the Republicans that are running for these races that we were just talking about, governors, senators, representatives, etc., are trying to figure out, like, they're really unhappy with Trump, too. Right. Because they're like, why do you keep doing stuff that is so unpopular? It's an election year. If you have to do this stuff, can you at least wait till next year? You know? He doesn't care. He doesn't give a shit. He doesn't care.
|
Ivan:
[1:20:35]
| Because Trump doesn't give a shit.
|
Sam:
[1:20:36]
| He gave an interview, I think with somebody on Fox last week, where they asked him about like, you know, how hard he was going to work, you know, for the congressional candidates. and and you know he he said almost almost literally he said well i worked really hard in 2024 for my re-election because i had to i had yeah i i.
|
Sam:
[1:21:04]
| He practically said i had to or they would put me in jail right because that's right that that's where the things were headed right that was the reality yeah you know and he's like i had to i worked really hard i was out there i She's like, are you going to do that kind of stuff for like the congressional candidates? He's like, well, no, I was doing that for me. You know, I'm not going to work as hard for them. What are you talking about? You know, and he's basically, it's pretty clear that he's assuming the Democrats are taking over. And he's saying things like, well, you know, people are asking, well, how will you do that? What will the last two years of your presidency be like? And he's like, well, you know, it's pretty clear. I'm just going to be in the business of blocking the shit they want to do. Right. That's my whole, that, that's, I'm not going to be, yeah, I'm just going to block their stuff. That's it. You know, and if they want to, and I know they're going to try to investigate me and all that kind of stuff and, oh, well, I'll, I'll block that too. You know, whatever, you know, but yeah, he, he is not, just like we were talking about with inflation for, for congressional candidates and all that. He's not only not trying to help them in any serious way, he seems to actively be doing things that hurt them.
|
Ivan:
[1:22:32]
| And that's the biggest problem. You see, the thing is that he would be trying at least to help, but he isn't.
|
Sam:
[1:22:41]
| Like, even when he does things that are nominally to help, like he goes to a rally in their state or whatever. like you know he went like at his little session his little fake convention or whatever, you know at one point he was you know he brought up like the important senate rate and race in texas and and paxton and all that like you know paxton, and he spent half of his speech talking about how ugly paxton was yeah.
|
Sam:
[1:23:11]
| You know, he's like, you know, he's a really unattractive man, but you should vote for him because, you know, whatever, because he's my guy, you know, and it just, they are so frustrated with him, you know, and once they're, you know, if, I don't know, like, at some point, you you they have to like once we get past midterms he really and truly is a 100 lame duck oh yeah, they're already starting to think about what the world looks like after donald trump that's you know and, so far they're still afraid of the political consequences of going against him, But at some point, enough of their own voters out there are like what we were just talking about. You know, the truckers are mad at him. The farmers are mad at him. You know.
|
Sam:
[1:24:17]
| The vast group of, not vast, but the group of Hispanics that went to the Republican Party in 2024 are being like, did we really do that? Was that a mistake? You know, should we have done that? But, you know, they're getting one way or another, if you care about the Republican Party as opposed to caring about Donald Trump. This is decimating them, you know, and, you know, I'm going back to, you know, the late, great, dearly departed Lindsey Graham, who back when he still didn't like Donald Trump back in 2016 was like, if we elect this man, we're going to get destroyed. It took a little while, but we're getting there.
|
Ivan:
[1:25:07]
| We're getting there. We're definitely getting there.
|
Sam:
[1:25:11]
| You know so oh well i don't know should should we take a break and hit a couple other things or should we just wrap it up.
|
Ivan:
[1:25:20]
| I think we should just wrap it up.
|
Sam:
[1:25:22]
| I know it's been less than 90 minutes for those of you actually listening to the podcast it's.
|
Ivan:
[1:25:27]
| Been more than two hours.
|
Sam:
[1:25:29]
| Yes exactly we've already gone a ways like we had several rounds of technical difficulties we We started late to begin with because other things were going on.
|
Ivan:
[1:25:39]
| I have to do this in a completely different way, which actually worked well.
|
Sam:
[1:25:43]
| Okay. Yeah. And we finally got it working. Anyway, we're going to shut this thing down. Shut it down.
|
Ivan:
[1:25:50]
| Shut it down. Go live!
|
Sam:
[1:25:53]
| We did not talk about the newest Kennedy Center developments. We did not talk about the Russians paying for Trump Jr.'s wedding receptions. Or, sorry, wedding after party.
|
Ivan:
[1:26:04]
| Why would that look wrong? Why was that a problem?
|
Sam:
[1:26:07]
| It was just a Russian oligarch paying for it who was in Putin's delegation to China one week earlier. I don't see any possible concern there. Why was that a problem? Anyway, we did not talk about Trump kicking CNN, MS Now, and Politico out of the White House press corps. we did not talk about oh we touched on ai as we do almost every show now but apparently the military was on the verge of attacking a chinese ship because they thought they were shipping nuclear stuff to iran, and then we found out it was an ai hallucination and there wasn't anything real behind that nuclear nuclear, whatever nuclear nuclear nukes nukie nuke nuke And we didn't talk about Greenland, where apparently this week Donald Trump is going to sign a massive agreement about the U.S. protecting Greenland to justify, you know, everything about Greenland that apparently is just reiterating something from a 1951 treaty. That, you know.
|
Ivan:
[1:27:19]
| Let him entertain himself with that. Yes.
|
Sam:
[1:27:21]
| Yes. It's just, it's nothing different than the treaty that's been in place for 70 years, more than 70 years, 75 years, 1951 to 2026. That's 75 years.
|
Ivan:
[1:27:34]
| 75 years.
|
Sam:
[1:27:35]
| 75 years. Yeah. Anyway, but apparently we won the whole Greenland conflict and they've capitulated and given Donald Trump what he wants by, just reiterating what they agreed to 75 years ago. Anyway, that's it. Thank you for joining us for this week's Curmudgeons Corner. Go to curmudgeons-corner.com. You can find all the ways to contact us. You can find transcripts of our shows. You can find our old archives.
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Ivan:
[1:28:03]
| You can find— You can find those shows we talked about that we spent like half the— you know, most of the time like just dealing with technical difficulties.
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Sam:
[1:28:10]
| Exactly. Yeah, listen to our first year of shows. You'll have fun. and, of course, you can find a link to our Patreon where you can give us money at various levels. We will mention you on the show, we will ring a bell, we will send you a postcard, we will send you a mug, and at $2 a month or more, or if you ask, and we feel like it that week, and we, I don't know, like you? Maybe if we hate you, I don't know. Anyway, if we feel like it, we'll invite you to our Commudgeon Score Slack, where Yvonne and I and a bunch of our listeners are chatting and sharing things throughout the week. The more, the merrier. We'd love to see you there. So, Yvonne, what's the highlight from the Slack for this week?
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Ivan:
[1:28:50]
| There were a couple of comedic posts this week. One was Sam posted the new, aside from Alex, like screwing around with his water bottle, like as app content. He also changed his like background screen on his phone to a poster that I must admit was very creative as well.
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Sam:
[1:29:13]
| Also AI-assisted, just to be clear.
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Ivan:
[1:29:15]
| Also AI-assisted, okay. You know, but his thoughts and what it creates in AI is pretty good. He replaced it for some reason with a poster of an edited Under Siege 2 poster. There's an old movie with Steven Seagal. It was a sequel where he was on a train and had nukes. But this one is Under Siege 2 Duolingo with Steven Seagal. And it's got a photo of the Duolingo mascot with a machine gun in its hands. He's not just teaching you a language. He's keeping you on track.
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Sam:
[1:29:48]
| Exactly.
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Ivan:
[1:29:49]
| Okay, so that was, for some reason, his screensaver. I also shared how somebody posted a very popular post on threads where this person went and said, I'm going to pressure wash my dick this weekend and decorate it for all. Young homeowners turning it to their parents. A community note was very helpful in stating, You should only wash your genitals with mild fragrance-free soap and warm water. And I gotta agree that probably using a pressure washer is not a good idea.
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Sam:
[1:30:24]
| No?
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Ivan:
[1:30:25]
| No. No.
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Sam:
[1:30:28]
| You know, right before the show, I was scrolling TikTok, as you do, and one of the things that came up was, it was an athletic field, and there were like, I don't know, a women's soccer team or something like that. I forget exactly what it was. But they had like, on the side, they had like a pressure hose shooting water onto the field. And one of the players decided it would be fun to just run into the hose. And she like ran into the pressurized water until her face hit the water. And then like, she like, as I hit my microphone, she slapped back and like, you know, it tossed her and she fell and, you know. You know, the kind of humor where people fall and, you know, you don't want to laugh if they're seriously hurt. But if they just like fell in a comedic way, you'll laugh at him and this happened there because and it's okay and and you you mentioning washing yourself with a pressure washer i think is a similar effect, she was washing her face with the pressure washer and.
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Ivan:
[1:31:38]
| No no not not good look i've been i've had parts of my body get hit by water from a pressure washer yeah it hurts.
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Sam:
[1:31:48]
| Yes.
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Ivan:
[1:31:50]
| I mean really really hurts not what you want in Or fish. Fish. Fish.
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Sam:
[1:31:56]
| So you know about this community note warning from personal experience.
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Ivan:
[1:32:02]
| I've not tried to pressure wash my genitals with it. It's just, it's hit, like, say, my arm or, like, my hand or, like, my leg. Yeah, it's not, not want to experience that anywhere else.
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Sam:
[1:32:17]
| Okay. Okay. That's probably good advice. So, instead, I don't know, use bleach?
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Ivan:
[1:32:25]
| No, no. I bet.
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Sam:
[1:32:27]
| Why?
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Ivan:
[1:32:28]
| Just a little bit of, just, just, my favorite. Dove soap.
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Sam:
[1:32:33]
| Very mild. Yeah, very mild. As you said, you know, unscented, mild. Dove soap used to be one of my primaries for a long time. I've kind of moved away from it. But, you know, it's fine. You know, it's a little slimy sometimes once it gets wet. But, you know, that's okay. Okay, I think with that, we are completely done. Thank you, everybody, for joining us yet again. Stay safe. Stay happy. Do stuff. you know enjoy the week all that kind of thing, and we'll see you again next time goodbye bye Bye-bye. Thank you. Okay, Yvonne, hitting stop. Bye.
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Ivan:
[1:33:44]
| Bye.
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